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Offline Ari Kainelainen

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Gnaphosidae!
« on: June 22, 2011, 10:06:43 PM »
Hallo!
I would like to find Gnaphosid spiders in my region, south Karelia. I want to caught big black Gnaphosid  :). From this family I found only Micaria subopaca  >:(. I hope you can give me a good advice. Since this year I specially tried found its. I saw under stones and bark in forest, took two trap ( holes in dround, 50-70cm depth ). But here was only ants and three weevils. I searh its at the night and evening. For all time I found Gnaphosidae's few times. One time was very long and I haven't camera and internet. In this year I found Gnaphosid on the trunk of pine-tree, sun day. It fast run on the trunk up and soon disappeared.
Where its should be???  ???

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 08:28:38 PM »
Do you have plain rock, with dots of sphagnum on in Karelia?
Underneath this sphagnum you will find very many black Gnaphosiids!

Here is a picture of the kind of habitat I mean.


Habitat of gnaphosiids.


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Offline Ari Kainelainen

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 10:53:18 PM »
Thanks for advice!
I haven't look likes habitats nearby, where I live. It is could be on margin of my town, where located rocks and maybe sphagnum, I'm not sure. But on this weekends I'm going to drive in other region, near Finland (Sortavala) on one or two days. I hope there I will find this rocks and Gnaphosids.  :)

Offline Kjetil Åkra

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 02:24:32 AM »
Good luck, Ari. Good advice from Glenn there; in my experience, the majority of gnaphosids prefer dry and warm localities. Looking under stones and in crevices and cracks in rocks and road cuts can also yield some species.

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Offline Ari Kainelainen

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 03:49:11 PM »
Thanks a lot!
I already found Gnaphosiids in likes habitats! :D  They was under sphagnum. It was Gnaphosa bicolor with cocoon and some else, which fast run away without photo and ID. It was also small light-brown species, likely Ganphosiids.  :)
Habitat:


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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 09:57:55 AM »
Excellent! I am sure you´ll find more species of Gnaphosiids soon!

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 12:13:27 PM »
Nice! :)
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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 02:53:10 PM »
Nice! :)

Jeg har i alle fall lignende habitat i min umiddelbare nærhet :-D , men - jeg er sjeldent der nattestider. Er dette en art som fortrinnsvis påtreffes i døgnets mørkere timer, eller jager den også på dagtid?
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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 08:26:08 PM »
@Svein

Du finner dem oftest under stein/mose på dagtid.

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 08:35:06 PM »
Hvis du oppsøker et blankskurt svaberg i skogsterreng, der det ligger noen få flate steiner av rimelig størrelse (30-40 cm) rett på berget, er du nesten garantert å finne noen. Flate hvite "eggknapper" er gode indikasjoner på at stedet er brukt.

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Offline Ari Kainelainen

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2011, 02:18:02 PM »
Hallo!
Strange, but I didn't found other Gnaphosids yet.  >:(
I was in a some looks like places (see photo), but there was only Trochosa in sacs or Asagena phalerata and a few Lycosids. Likely these spiders don't live on rocks where I search.
But I hope that in next time I will see them  :).

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 02:19:40 PM »
In the first place where I found Gnaphosa bicolor I caught one small spider yet.
What do you think? Is it gnaphosid?
« Last Edit: November 04, 2011, 02:21:21 PM by Ari K. »

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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2011, 04:36:12 PM »
In the first place where I found Gnaphosa bicolor I caught one small spider yet.
What do you think? Is it gnaphosid?


Yes, I belive it`s a Gnaphosiid. (Ref. eye position)
Looks like a Haplodrassus of some kind. (Lack of black/dark border on carapace.)


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Re: Gnaphosidae!
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 09:15:37 AM »
Thanks!
In the next time I will try to visit to the this rock.